Post by Chelsia on Oct 10, 2008 15:20:56 GMT -5
LOL are you kidding me Nakomis? you say it's just a game it's just a game, just be honest with your answers...
yet you're yelling at me because from what I've seen other people played a better game than you. how many times did you as well as others say you made stupid moves and get manipulated by people in this game? wow. I'm not going to apologize for being HONEST with my answers, and not just putting people I needed votes from at the top like someone.
I'll show you a conversation right now. immediately after the chat Keesha & I had with you, in another chat we had with Will at the same time we told him about your plans to backdoor him.
Will was a part of our alliance, so I told him. just as I would have with Keesha or James. would any of you not tell your closest allies in this game that the current HOH was trying to get them out? the point of it is, people didn't realize how close Will & I were and that worked to my advantage. don't sit here and say it's just a game it's just a game, don't take things personal... when you're stating personal reasons why you don't want to vote for me.
as for the vote, I believe I just said we knew you would lie and vote Will out... we thought Roddy would vote April out... therefore I would have the deciding vote. see what I mean? well, obviously not. you would if you would listen to both sides of the story.
as for not voting Will out, have you not read anything in this thread at all? Will was really close to me in this game. I still considered voting him out, he knows this, because I was afraid I couldn't trust him down the road after voting James out. THEN he showed me his DR which was filled with Chelsia & me to the final two. this had nothing to do with him "changing my mind", his DR proved that he was loyal to me, and I knew it benefited ME to keep him in this game.
1. Well, Will, I can guarentee that if it weren't for me YOU wouldn't be here either. as much as you'd like to think all this game is is strategy, it's not. the social aspect is a huge part of the game. some people recognize it as that. it's not about "oh she was my friend" or voting "personally" it's about the fact that social things play a HUGE part in the game, and that's where you fucked up. the game isn't all strategy, there's alot more to it. I thank the people who do see & understand this, because that was the biggest part of my game and how I reached the f2. I love how you say everyone stop hating me, Chelsia take credit for it. then you're like Chelsia you didn't do shit, don't take credit for things. which one is it?
2. As for Roddy, I told you we both thought that he would vote to keep you. leaving the decision up to me. I don't know what your problem with this is, but based on you telling us you had Roddy wrapped around your finger and could get him to do whatever you wanted, we felt as though the decision would end up being in my hands.
3. I'm saying I wanted the same people out, because I wanted the same people out. did we not make most of these decisions as a group? you're taking all of the credit for EVERYTHING that happened in this game... when Keesha and I were 2/3 of the alliance and wanted everyone [minus James] out as well. we were still a three person alliance that did alot of the things in this game together, and now you want to discredit everything that I did, as well as Keesha, when it's convienent for you... and push the blame onto me as well when it's not.
and, I agree with what James & Roddy have said. which I have already said. Big Brother is not just a game of "who can make the biggest moves" and "who can screw over the most people to get to the final two." Big Brother is part competitions, part strategy, and part social. I had all three and I played using them the entire game. My strategy WAS to win competitions that I needed and have a good social game, most importantly to help me later in the game. I made the right alliances, and solidified those alliances as best as possible, I made the right moves, I spoke out when I felt necessary, and I kept my mouth shut when necessary. I didn't have to make deals and alliances, constantly breaking my word and screwing people over. not because someone else was doing it, because I CHOSE to play a game differently than that. I chose to play a game that I felt would work for me in getting me to the final two, getting what I wanted done, and the MOST important thing... would mesh well with the other houseguests & their strategies. I've already stated that I would have choose two good gameplayers who I had a close relationship in the final two, if it couldn't be the one we had now. Because social politics play a huge part in this game, and emotions/personal things DO make a difference. In ANY reality competition show like Big Brother [Survivor, The Island, etc] in which you eliminate people and play strategic games, the social aspect makes a huge difference. If you honestly see Big Brother as being 100% strategy and nothing else, then I won't have your vote, and being completely honest, I don't want it because you don't understand that there's more to the game. From the little bit I've read about URTV2... Janelle played a far superior social game than Dustin... and for that she won and deserved to win. Because that aspect of the game does play a huge part. To discredit my game entirely because I chose not to play a dirty, sneaky game like Will... well that's not voting like a true juror who understands this game either. I have faith that you will really take in account everything the games that we played, all aspects of it, rather than discrediting the game I played just because it wasn't a dirty game. it was a game I chose to play, a game that got me here, a game that has all aspects of Big Brother, and a game that deserves to win. good luck with your decision.
yet you're yelling at me because from what I've seen other people played a better game than you. how many times did you as well as others say you made stupid moves and get manipulated by people in this game? wow. I'm not going to apologize for being HONEST with my answers, and not just putting people I needed votes from at the top like someone.
I'll show you a conversation right now. immediately after the chat Keesha & I had with you, in another chat we had with Will at the same time we told him about your plans to backdoor him.
NakomisBb11 (4:01:19 PM): LOL
NakomisBb11 (4:01:21 PM): YEAH
NakomisBb11 (4:02:52 PM): IM LEAVING THIS ROOM
URTV Big Brother (4:03:08 PM): well
URTV Big Brother (4:03:10 PM): that was an abrupt exit
chelsiaxhart (4:03:24 PM): ugh
chelsiaxhart (4:03:29 PM): *rolls eyes*
chelsiaxhart (4:04:56 PM): lol
meowhollyking (4:50:00 PM): she made a new room....
meowhollyking (4:50:07 PM): and wants will up hardcore.
chelsiaxhart (5:14:35 PM): mhm
URTV Big Brother (5:14:41 PM): hi
chelsiaxhart (5:14:55 PM): she kept saying how she really wants you out will
DrWill chilltown (5:32:39 PM): hi
chelsiaxhart (5:32:45 PM): will
chelsiaxhart (5:32:50 PM): dont say anything to nakomis!
chelsiaxhart (5:32:52 PM): pleease.
NakomisBb11 (4:01:21 PM): YEAH
NakomisBb11 (4:02:52 PM): IM LEAVING THIS ROOM
URTV Big Brother (4:03:08 PM): well
URTV Big Brother (4:03:10 PM): that was an abrupt exit
chelsiaxhart (4:03:24 PM): ugh
chelsiaxhart (4:03:29 PM): *rolls eyes*
chelsiaxhart (4:04:56 PM): lol
meowhollyking (4:50:00 PM): she made a new room....
meowhollyking (4:50:07 PM): and wants will up hardcore.
chelsiaxhart (5:14:35 PM): mhm
URTV Big Brother (5:14:41 PM): hi
chelsiaxhart (5:14:55 PM): she kept saying how she really wants you out will
DrWill chilltown (5:32:39 PM): hi
chelsiaxhart (5:32:45 PM): will
chelsiaxhart (5:32:50 PM): dont say anything to nakomis!
chelsiaxhart (5:32:52 PM): pleease.
Will was a part of our alliance, so I told him. just as I would have with Keesha or James. would any of you not tell your closest allies in this game that the current HOH was trying to get them out? the point of it is, people didn't realize how close Will & I were and that worked to my advantage. don't sit here and say it's just a game it's just a game, don't take things personal... when you're stating personal reasons why you don't want to vote for me.
as for the vote, I believe I just said we knew you would lie and vote Will out... we thought Roddy would vote April out... therefore I would have the deciding vote. see what I mean? well, obviously not. you would if you would listen to both sides of the story.
as for not voting Will out, have you not read anything in this thread at all? Will was really close to me in this game. I still considered voting him out, he knows this, because I was afraid I couldn't trust him down the road after voting James out. THEN he showed me his DR which was filled with Chelsia & me to the final two. this had nothing to do with him "changing my mind", his DR proved that he was loyal to me, and I knew it benefited ME to keep him in this game.
1. Well, Will, I can guarentee that if it weren't for me YOU wouldn't be here either. as much as you'd like to think all this game is is strategy, it's not. the social aspect is a huge part of the game. some people recognize it as that. it's not about "oh she was my friend" or voting "personally" it's about the fact that social things play a HUGE part in the game, and that's where you fucked up. the game isn't all strategy, there's alot more to it. I thank the people who do see & understand this, because that was the biggest part of my game and how I reached the f2. I love how you say everyone stop hating me, Chelsia take credit for it. then you're like Chelsia you didn't do shit, don't take credit for things. which one is it?
2. As for Roddy, I told you we both thought that he would vote to keep you. leaving the decision up to me. I don't know what your problem with this is, but based on you telling us you had Roddy wrapped around your finger and could get him to do whatever you wanted, we felt as though the decision would end up being in my hands.
3. I'm saying I wanted the same people out, because I wanted the same people out. did we not make most of these decisions as a group? you're taking all of the credit for EVERYTHING that happened in this game... when Keesha and I were 2/3 of the alliance and wanted everyone [minus James] out as well. we were still a three person alliance that did alot of the things in this game together, and now you want to discredit everything that I did, as well as Keesha, when it's convienent for you... and push the blame onto me as well when it's not.
and, I agree with what James & Roddy have said. which I have already said. Big Brother is not just a game of "who can make the biggest moves" and "who can screw over the most people to get to the final two." Big Brother is part competitions, part strategy, and part social. I had all three and I played using them the entire game. My strategy WAS to win competitions that I needed and have a good social game, most importantly to help me later in the game. I made the right alliances, and solidified those alliances as best as possible, I made the right moves, I spoke out when I felt necessary, and I kept my mouth shut when necessary. I didn't have to make deals and alliances, constantly breaking my word and screwing people over. not because someone else was doing it, because I CHOSE to play a game differently than that. I chose to play a game that I felt would work for me in getting me to the final two, getting what I wanted done, and the MOST important thing... would mesh well with the other houseguests & their strategies. I've already stated that I would have choose two good gameplayers who I had a close relationship in the final two, if it couldn't be the one we had now. Because social politics play a huge part in this game, and emotions/personal things DO make a difference. In ANY reality competition show like Big Brother [Survivor, The Island, etc] in which you eliminate people and play strategic games, the social aspect makes a huge difference. If you honestly see Big Brother as being 100% strategy and nothing else, then I won't have your vote, and being completely honest, I don't want it because you don't understand that there's more to the game. From the little bit I've read about URTV2... Janelle played a far superior social game than Dustin... and for that she won and deserved to win. Because that aspect of the game does play a huge part. To discredit my game entirely because I chose not to play a dirty, sneaky game like Will... well that's not voting like a true juror who understands this game either. I have faith that you will really take in account everything the games that we played, all aspects of it, rather than discrediting the game I played just because it wasn't a dirty game. it was a game I chose to play, a game that got me here, a game that has all aspects of Big Brother, and a game that deserves to win. good luck with your decision.
so, unless that completely spaced your memory and you don't understand what happened with your HOHs, or you're making shit up.